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Re: Social Status and attitudes toward women

Posted by RS on February 13, 2002 at 14:38:01:

In Reply to: Social Status and attitudes toward women posted by Kristiana Georgieva on February 13, 2002 at 14:37:07:

Kristiana,
My suggestions are in capital letters. THIS LOOKS PROMISING.
RS
Theme: Social status and attutide towards women in 18th century France SOCIAL STATUS IS VERY BROAD AND COULD INCLUDE MANY THINGS. HOW ABOUT "THE SOCIAL STATUS OF WOMEN"?
Argument:
According to the first primary source (Le Grand d’Aussy’s Voyage to Auvergne) women were at the lowest level of society. They pertained mostly to their everyday domestic duties and had minimal rights. GOOD ON DOMESTIC DUTIES BUT WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE ON "RIGHTS?"
The second primary source (F.Y. Bernard , Memoires d’un Nonagenaire) shows a clear shift in the attitude towards women. They obtained more rights and occupied a higher position in the social hierarchy."
RECONSIDER SEVERAL THINGS: THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL PERSPECTIVES OF THE TWO OBSERVERS--OUTSIDER, INSIDER--AND THE POSSIBILITY OF VARIATION IN CONDUCT EVEN BETWEEN TWO VILLAGES. THE FIRST WAS IN ONE OF THE MOST REMOTE PARTS OF FRANCE; THE SECOND WAS NEAR THE LOIRE VALLEY AND MUCH LESS REMOTE.
Supporting Evidence:
At first women were percepted as “ slaves, destined to do alll the work that was considerate servile and disdained ”(Baptiste, 147). Later on that attitude changed in a positive direction. Women’s hard – physical chores were taken by hired workers. They(women) were no longer treated as slaves and more respect was paid to them.
WHO IS MAKING THE JUDGEMENTS? RECALL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBSERVER AND OBSERVED. WAS IT UNCOMMON FOR PEASANT WOMEN TO DO PHYSICAL LABOR?
Another important fact is that women were isolated from men’s conversations and were not allowed to actively participate in them. The night talks were the only time during the whole day when women were given the chance to relax and enjoy themselves. However, later on, as the second primary source points out, women were more incorporated to social life. They were no longer isolated under “the special paid lamp” (Le Grand d’Aussy), but had the right to join men in the tavern.
GOOD IN OBSERVING THE APPARENT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO VILLAGES. IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE EVIDENCE HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE CONTRASTING PATTERNS OF WOMEN'S WORK AND SOCIABILITY IN TWO VILLAGES.
Connection: Women’s role and attitude towards them in 18-th century is one one of the main points in Bonnie Smith’s Eighteenth – Century Worlds. According to it women were “responsible for all activities within the house” (Smith 7) and were obliged to do most of the hard work. THE SECOND SENTENCE IS CENTRAL: THE FIRST PART IS FINE BUT THE LATTER IS INACCURATE. YOUR EVIDENCE SUGGESTS WORK AND LEISURE PATTERNS AMONG PEASANT WOMEN: WHAT DOES SMITH SAY ABOUT LEISURE.

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: Kristiana, : My suggestions are in capital letters. THIS LOOKS PROMISING. : RS : Theme: Social status and attutide towards women in 18th century France SOCIAL STATUS IS VERY BROAD AND COULD INCLUDE MANY THINGS. HOW ABOUT "THE SOCIAL STATUS OF WOMEN"? : Argument: : According to the first primary source (Le Grand d’Aussy’s Voyage to Auvergne) women were at the lowest level of society. They pertained mostly to their everyday domestic duties and had minimal rights. GOOD ON DOMESTIC DUTIES BUT WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE ON "RIGHTS?" : The second primary source (F.Y. Bernard , Memoires d’un Nonagenaire) shows a clear shift in the attitude towards women. They obtained more rights and occupied a higher position in the social hierarchy." : RECONSIDER SEVERAL THINGS: THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL PERSPECTIVES OF THE TWO OBSERVERS--OUTSIDER, INSIDER--AND THE POSSIBILITY OF VARIATION IN CONDUCT EVEN BETWEEN TWO VILLAGES. THE FIRST WAS IN ONE OF THE MOST REMOTE PARTS OF FRANCE; THE SECOND WAS NEAR THE LOIRE VALLEY AND MUCH LESS REMOTE. : Supporting Evidence: : At first women were percepted as “ slaves, destined to do alll the work that was considerate servile and disdained ”(Baptiste, 147). Later on that attitude changed in a positive direction. Women’s hard – physical chores were taken by hired workers. They(women) were no longer treated as slaves and more respect was paid to them. : WHO IS MAKING THE JUDGEMENTS? RECALL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBSERVER AND OBSERVED. WAS IT UNCOMMON FOR PEASANT WOMEN TO DO PHYSICAL LABOR? : Another important fact is that women were isolated from men’s conversations and were not allowed to actively participate in them. The night talks were the only time during the whole day when women were given the chance to relax and enjoy themselves. However, later on, as the second primary source points out, women were more incorporated to social life. They were no longer isolated under “the special paid lamp” (Le Grand d’Aussy), but had the right to join men in the tavern. : GOOD IN OBSERVING THE APPARENT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO VILLAGES. IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE EVIDENCE HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE CONTRASTING PATTERNS OF WOMEN'S WORK AND SOCIABILITY IN TWO VILLAGES. : Connection: Women’s role and attitude towards them in 18-th century is one one of the main points in Bonnie Smith’s Eighteenth – Century Worlds. According to it women were “responsible for all activities within the house” (Smith 7) and were obliged to do most of the hard work. THE SECOND SENTENCE IS CENTRAL: THE FIRST PART IS FINE BUT THE LATTER IS INACCURATE. YOUR EVIDENCE SUGGESTS WORK AND LEISURE PATTERNS AMONG PEASANT WOMEN: WHAT DOES SMITH SAY ABOUT LEISURE.

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