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Posted by RS on February 13, 2002 at 15:49:05:

In Reply to: My Abstract: Feminism in Baptiste's Voyage D'Auvergne posted by Marisa Messenger on February 12, 2002 at 22:30:42:

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: Theme:
: the Role of feminism in Baptiste's voyage D'Auvergne

I LIKE YOUR IDEA AS TO HOW LE GRAND D'AUSSY IS CRITICAL AND CONDESCENDING TOWARD MALE PEASANTS. PLEASE OMIT 'FEMINISM' BECAUSE IT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A FEMINIST, WHICH IS A TERM FROM A LATER PERIOD AND A SPECULATION THAT CAN'T BE PROVED IN THIS DOCUMENT. WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN AN INTERESTING WAY IS TRYING TO SEE THROUGH HIS EYES. HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED TO BE DESCRIBED AS A FEMINIST. IT IS OKAY TO DRAW ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HIM, NAMELY THAT HE WAS A WEALTHY BOURGEOIS (UPPER MIDDLE CLASS) WITH SUFFICIENT MONEY AND LEISURE TO INDULGE HIS INTEREST IN TRAVEL TO OBSERVE PEASANTS IN THE REMOTE ("BACKWARD") PARTS OF FRANCE. ASK YOURSELF HOW HE WAS LIKELY USED TO SEEING WOMEN TREATED IN HIS CIRCLES BACK IN PARIS.

: Argument:
: I am going to argue that rather than giving a straight-forward account of the peasant life, Baptiste has used this piece as a forum for focusing the reader on his disdain for the male peasant attitude toward women. I believe that Baptiste does so using three methods: OKAY, GOOD AND INTERESTING STRATEGY. HIS HE WRITING FROM AN ASSUMED POSITION OF SOCIAL AND MORAL SUPERIORITY? IT SEEMS AS IF YOUR ESSAY IS GOING TO SAY MORE ABOUT THE OBSERVER THAN THE 'REALITY' OF THE OBSERVED, RIGHT?

: 1. By describing female daily activities in such a way as to make them seem more challenging than men's work.
: 2. word choice: he uses adjectives with negative connotations (i.e. idle, savage,etc.) to describe the men's activities.
: 3.sarcasm: this will be exemplified in the example of evidence below.

GOOD IDEAS, AND NICELY SYSTEMATIC.

: Evidence:
: 1. "It is the women who are burdened with all the details of the housework... Thus they get up earlier and go to bed later than the men." (147)

OKAY; NOTE THE TERM 'HOUSEWORK.' ANY 'FIELD WORK'?

: 2. "These mountain yokels have a deep contempt and despotic disdain for women, which is proper to all savages and semi-barbarous peoples." (147)

HOW CAN HE HAVE BEEN SO SURE? AGAINST WHAT YARDSTICK WAS HE MEASURING?

: 3. "During this time the master of the stable sleeps in his box, but since, after all, it wouldn't be right that he give the women a place to talk and pay the cost of their pleasures as well, the women have a special lamp for their night gossipings, the cost of whose oil is shared among them." (148)

GOOD EYE FOR THE TELLING REMARK.

: Connections:
: Bonnie Smith seems to be implying that women are over-burdened with regard to the daily work load as well as Baptiste. She explains on pages seven and eight that in addition to the household duties, women had a number of other responsibilities year round, including tending to the animals and assisting with the harvest.

RECONSIDER HERE: I THINK IT'S MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WOMEN AND MEN WORKED EQUALLY HARD AT THEIR DESIGNATED TASKS AND THAT 'OVERBURDENED' IS MORE THAN LIKELY A JUDGEMENT FROM AN OUTSIDER WHO WORKS LESS PHYSICALLY HARD.

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: : : : Theme: : : the Role of feminism in Baptiste's voyage D'Auvergne : I LIKE YOUR IDEA AS TO HOW LE GRAND D'AUSSY IS CRITICAL AND CONDESCENDING TOWARD MALE PEASANTS. PLEASE OMIT 'FEMINISM' BECAUSE IT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A FEMINIST, WHICH IS A TERM FROM A LATER PERIOD AND A SPECULATION THAT CAN'T BE PROVED IN THIS DOCUMENT. WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN AN INTERESTING WAY IS TRYING TO SEE THROUGH HIS EYES. HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN SHOCKED TO BE DESCRIBED AS A FEMINIST. IT IS OKAY TO DRAW ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HIM, NAMELY THAT HE WAS A WEALTHY BOURGEOIS (UPPER MIDDLE CLASS) WITH SUFFICIENT MONEY AND LEISURE TO INDULGE HIS INTEREST IN TRAVEL TO OBSERVE PEASANTS IN THE REMOTE ("BACKWARD") PARTS OF FRANCE. ASK YOURSELF HOW HE WAS LIKELY USED TO SEEING WOMEN TREATED IN HIS CIRCLES BACK IN PARIS. : : Argument: : : I am going to argue that rather than giving a straight-forward account of the peasant life, Baptiste has used this piece as a forum for focusing the reader on his disdain for the male peasant attitude toward women. I believe that Baptiste does so using three methods: OKAY, GOOD AND INTERESTING STRATEGY. HIS HE WRITING FROM AN ASSUMED POSITION OF SOCIAL AND MORAL SUPERIORITY? IT SEEMS AS IF YOUR ESSAY IS GOING TO SAY MORE ABOUT THE OBSERVER THAN THE 'REALITY' OF THE OBSERVED, RIGHT? : : : 1. By describing female daily activities in such a way as to make them seem more challenging than men's work. : : 2. word choice: he uses adjectives with negative connotations (i.e. idle, savage,etc.) to describe the men's activities. : : 3.sarcasm: this will be exemplified in the example of evidence below. : GOOD IDEAS, AND NICELY SYSTEMATIC. : : Evidence: : : 1. "It is the women who are burdened with all the details of the housework... Thus they get up earlier and go to bed later than the men." (147) : OKAY; NOTE THE TERM 'HOUSEWORK.' ANY 'FIELD WORK'? : : 2. "These mountain yokels have a deep contempt and despotic disdain for women, which is proper to all savages and semi-barbarous peoples." (147) : HOW CAN HE HAVE BEEN SO SURE? AGAINST WHAT YARDSTICK WAS HE MEASURING? : : 3. "During this time the master of the stable sleeps in his box, but since, after all, it wouldn't be right that he give the women a place to talk and pay the cost of their pleasures as well, the women have a special lamp for their night gossipings, the cost of whose oil is shared among them." (148) : GOOD EYE FOR THE TELLING REMARK. : : Connections: : : Bonnie Smith seems to be implying that women are over-burdened with regard to the daily work load as well as Baptiste. She explains on pages seven and eight that in addition to the household duties, women had a number of other responsibilities year round, including tending to the animals and assisting with the harvest. : RECONSIDER HERE: I THINK IT'S MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WOMEN AND MEN WORKED EQUALLY HARD AT THEIR DESIGNATED TASKS AND THAT 'OVERBURDENED' IS MORE THAN LIKELY A JUDGEMENT FROM AN OUTSIDER WHO WORKS LESS PHYSICALLY HARD.

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