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Re: To be forced to work for someone else

Posted by Klara on October 17, 2001 at 13:08:11:

In Reply to: Re: To be forced to work for someone else posted by Bobbie on October 17, 2001 at 12:43:52:

But the choice situation wouldn't be so black and white. The issue at stake here is not the present-day choice situation of joining either wage-earners or capitalists. Carole, I wish you could put your message in other words, to clarify the point.

: i agree with you. i wouldn't want to have to start my own business. i just want to graduate and find a good job.

: : I don't think that it is unnatural for someone to work for someone else because some people don't have the determination or focus to employ themselves. This is not necessarily a bad thing, if that is what makes you "happy" and truthfully, we need those people to assist those who do wish to work for themselves.

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: : : This is related to your point, Klara. I actually like the reading on colonization because Marx seems to poke fun at the idea of supply and demand for labor. He shows that the supply of labor is not just a function of utility maximization but is created by historical processes. People have to be forced into a position where they have to work for a wage instead of work independently.

: : : : I found the idea that it is difficult to impose a capitalist system on people who are used to a different economic system, very intriguing.
: : : : Although I generally do not like talking in terms of what is natural and what is not, that is definitely how I feel about this subject.
: : : : Question: do you think that it is unnatural (i.e difficult for a human being) to work for someone else? And how would you define working for someone else? Surely, cooperation to achieve a common goal is another matter, but how?



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