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Re: Is Tom Joad overdetermined?

Posted by sara on November 18, 2001 at 23:02:16:

In Reply to: Re: Is Tom Joad overdetermined? posted by Klara on November 16, 2001 at 15:55:04:

I agree with what was said about Wonderful Life having more of an overdeterministic view. We see George evolving from a child to grown man. Joad's character is shown to be over-determined as well, as every other character in the movies we've seen, only to a lesser extent.

: But the movie kind of stresses a few influences though. Wouldn't that mean that the approach does not see overdeterminism. I mean, if you explain Joad's consciousness by his family's economic hardship and his time in jail, you're leaving a lot of factors out. I'd say that Wonderful Life (I don't remember the exact title) had a more overdeterminist view.

: : He was completely over-determined, there were so many factors weighing on him such as his experience in jail, which his mother thought made him more violent, and the break up of his family, plus all of the other encounters that you mentioned. If it weren't for all of these influences, he might never have became the socially conscious man he did.
: : I don't think Fonda won an oscar for this performance, the woman who played his mother did and the director :)



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